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Sonny Jr or Cruncher

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Eric S
Nov 26, 2009 5:21 AM GMT

I have a choice between these two, I have been beat down at jams, by Guitar wars, and want some thing to get even, I also play at small house jams with a kalamazoo that now kicks a$$,(thanks Greg) I would like to keep same Qualitys, but is there a noticeable differance between the two?

I don't think I will go pro anytime soon, but I love to jam. Don't want to go to gun fight with a knife,

Also there is a really good deal on a Hot Rod Deville, and you can get a kit that sets bassman reissues to old tube set up, could this work on a Deville? has any one ever had it done?


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Nov 26, 2009 6:56 AM GMT
OrthodoxBlues Replied:

Does the Princeton reissue have enough wattage for you, Eric?

My quick and dirty web research suggests it has 15 watts, the Deluxe reissue has 22, the Bassman LTD has 50, the Hot Rod Deville has 60. The Sonny Jr Super Sonny has 40, and his Cruncher has 35. I know that wattage is not the only measure of potential volume and the ability to cut through.

Let us know what you decide.


Nov 26, 2009 8:21 PM GMT
John P Replied:

I've got a PRRI. Sounds much louder than its rated 15 watts. Great amp, but you won't win any guitar wars with it. I don't use mine for giging


Nov 26, 2009 8:42 PM GMT
Kingley Replied:

I use a PRRI for gigging. It's plenty loud enough for onstage and then I mic it up into the PA for front of house volume. Even if you were using a Bassman, playing with a loud band you'd still have to mic it up. So I don't see the point of using a big amp myself.

When it comes to guitar wars there isn't any point in trying to beat them down. They will just keep turning up louder and louder. All that then does is hinder any subtleties in the music and just makes it a wall of noise. It's far better to just not play with those particular guitarists at those particular jams.


Nov 27, 2009 7:53 PM GMT
Tom H Replied:

I have a Sonny Jr 410 and love it! I have been through a lot of amps including a Kendrick Texas Crude and nothing compares to the 410. I have a Kinder feedback controller that I only have to use when playing with volume obsessed guitar players. Sometime you just have no choice but to play with this type of guitar player. I live in a small town and it was always frustrating to be snowed under by the guitar. I would rather play with people that can use the subtleness of the music but they are hard to find around here. I picked my Sonny Jr. up at Gary's house and he spent the entire afternoon going over the amp with me. His wife offered lunch before my trip home ( a 6 hour drive) Very nice people and a great product. I wish I had bought this amp years ago, it would have saved me a lot of money in the long run. cheers, Tom


Nov 28, 2009 4:39 AM GMT
OrthodoxBlues Replied:

Eric --

I just wanted to be sure that you saw this thread here (because it has some information and opinions on the DeVille):

http://www.harmonicaspace.com/viewtopic.php?topic=699


Nov 28, 2009 2:57 PM GMT
BlowsMeAwy Greg Replied:

I recently worked on a DeVille for another local player. It was NOT a great harp amp - it was absolutely unruly before I tubed it way down - that made it tolerable. Loud? Yes. Good harp amp? Not really.

The 410 is louder than the Cruncher - it has a little more power and a little more speaker surface area. The Sue Sonny version of the 410 has even more cut and tone a little more "Cruncher" like. The Cruncher has the best tone - if you're in situations where you can use its line out it is plenty loud. If you can't, the 410 will give you a little more guitar-beating power. Ultimately though the guitar player will always win - they can control a lot more power without feedback. If it is THAT loud it is WAY too loud though.


Nov 28, 2009 3:30 PM GMT
Joe L Replied:

I've played through both of Greg's amps and he speaks the truth. The tone of the Cruncher is very nice.

If you need the loudest harp amp on the planet that is very toneful. You might want to include the full size Meteor in your search. There aren't many harp amps that are louder than that. Personally, I think it's louder than any of the Sonny Jr offerings.

I just picked up a Mini Meat and it's very toneful, but not as loud as the big one.


Nov 28, 2009 4:17 PM GMT
Kingley Replied:

Loudest harp amp going is probably the Kinder HarpKing 6X10 followed by it's smaller brother the HarpKing 4X10. You have to get them secondhand though as he doesn't make them anymore.

The Meteor as Joe says get good reports and of course the HarpGear HG50 or HG1210 are both good amps too.

But like Greg says you'll never beat the guitarists for volume!


Nov 28, 2009 4:55 PM GMT
Barbeque Bob M Replied:

Those Harp King amps will easily compete with ajerk guitarist or bassist using a Marshall stack on 10 without a problem and never feedback, and no other amp can do it (and that's unmiked yet). Trying to compete with a guitar player for volume, truth be told, is flat out macho stupidity that harp players don't seem to get.


Nov 28, 2009 8:31 PM GMT
walterharp Replied:

you could get the DeVille and then get on the Lone wolf harp amp discussion area and figure out what mods would be good to start with, then go to an amp tech with the list and try a few, Mark Burness is always full of good suggestions. I recently used the DeLuxe for harp and it is fine, can be dialed in with a little work.

The Delux is quite heavy if that matters... and there is lots of stuff in the circuit that is extranous to harp players.

However, it is not an amp that would lose value unless you did extreme mods, so if the price is good, it might be something to start with.


Nov 28, 2009 10:46 PM GMT
OrthodoxBlues Replied:

BBQ Bob wrote below: "Those Harp King amps will easily compete with ajerk guitarist or bassist using a Marshall stack on 10 without a problem and never feedback." That is astounding. I have a 100 watt Fender Twin that has never been above a 4 out of 10 on its master volume. I believe that a hundred watt Marshall is even louder through a stack. Bob, I read that several times to be sure. Amazing! No wonder they are called Harp King!


Nov 28, 2009 10:47 PM GMT
OrthodoxBlues Replied:

Sorry for the large font below. I tried to fix it before I posted. Somehow, in quoting Bob, the letters wanted to emphasize how loud the amps described happen to be!


Nov 29, 2009 5:12 AM GMT
Eric S Replied:

Well had to work, But I went to try the Deville and a Twin Reverb on Black friday, And they are loud, but man are they heavy, so even though good deal on Deville, a guitar player can have it.

With all the input on PRRI, called and went to local fender dealer to try it out, It was in the shop, so durability may be an issue,

Also got lined up to test out other amps in the next week or so, one was a Sonny 6x 10, oh my aching back, Not.

Actually just loud is not what I want, although it is a part of the puzzle.I want tone like my Kalamazoo II.

Back to the eternal quest for the perfect harp amp. Thank you all for your input and help, I'll let you know how it ends. Eric S.


Nov 29, 2009 5:37 AM GMT
OrthodoxBlues Replied:

Eric --

I'll send you a message, I think I've found a larger Kalamazoo amp for sale.


Nov 29, 2009 4:27 PM GMT
Tony W Replied:

Eric, Don't forget about the Harp Gear HG50 and the Mega Tone amps. I will play at the Poor House bistro in San Jose on Dec. 20th and if you contact me soon enough I can arrange to have both amps there and you can try them out.


Nov 29, 2009 6:06 PM GMT
Joe L Replied:

Eric - If you're in the Bay Area, you're welcome to try out my Double Trouble or my Mini-Meteor. If you can make it to Fremont on a Tuesday, you can try one or both of them at the Mojo Lounge jam.


Dec 18, 2009 3:53 AM GMT
Eric S Replied:

I want to thank you all for your input and help, I have decided on a Cruncher, Greg has been kind enough to let me try his, how ever I will try to make it to some of the venues mentioned to visit and jam, you have all been very knowledgeable and kind Thanks Again Eric S.


Dec 18, 2009 3:48 PM GMT
BluEyes Replied:

Wow , i jumped into this one late. Eric good


Dec 18, 2009 3:49 PM GMT
BluEyes Replied:

Brady whats up my main man.

Im losing some very good stories.


Dec 18, 2009 3:51 PM GMT
BluEyes Replied:

Im almost afraid, to post and lose my great humorous but thought provoking stories.

abner (BluEyes, its not how good you play, but how many good friends you have hearing you play)



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