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RockFuryNov 22, 2009 1:35 PM GMT
was wondering if anyone could beat me on this
i bought it in my former life as a teenage metalhead :)
marshall valvestate 102r
100w, 2 12" speakers, bass knob does nothing and the valve is for marketing purposes only
it's a bad selling market down here at the moment, so i maybe stuck with it for a while longer
i'm using a mic preamp at the moment helps a little
would something like a lone wolf pedal make this amp useable?
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i don't know much about pedals but at 100w, you're out of the harp amp leagues imho. is there not an aspiring metalhead you could unload that to and then use the capital to get into something more harp friendly?
the issue is, almost every amp built is built to be guitar friendly. a harp mioc ahd much different- and more sensitive- freq response. hence feedback from a usual guitar amp with a harp mic stuck in it. personally i'd be looking at a gadget to go into a p.a. with, like a harp commander or modeler with patches for harp, and let that marshall gather dust until i could find a buyer.
i had as early amps a pignose g40v, 40 watt tube amp that the salesman swore was a great harp amp. which proved to be totally false. and i have never seen another harp guy use one. i was once given a 50 watt ss amp- brand escapes me now- that was just horrendous tone wise and began feeding back with the volume on 1 1/2. i tried out a fender hot rod deluxe back in the day and ended up selling at a loss just to be rid of it, littl;e did i know there were some tricks i could have done to make it work for harp. a peavey classic 50 which sounded pretty good at low volumes but since it have a built in ss rectifier, it just couldn't be modded without major expense and hassle. those were pretty much the worst amps i had way back when.
for the price of a pedal or 2 you could likely pick up a epi valve junior head. perhaps you could drive the speakers of the marshall with something harp friendly like that.
I couldn't find out too much about this amp online. It is totally solid state, or partially tubes (aka valves)? Is it that the tone is terrible, or that you have feedback? A Lone Wolf Harp Tone + (the only Lone Wolf pedal I have) would decrease feedback, and help you to emphasize bass. I'd hope that maybe you could get a decent clean sound out of it ... but maybe not!
thanks for the replies
i should clarify - worst blues harp amp, it does clean ok at a low volume, but nothing a p.a wouldn't do better. it's solid state, but has a valve burried in it somewhere. i had considered swapping out the valve, even for a better guitar tone, but from what i've read even if the valve dies there is no change in tone... weird
decreasing feedback and emphasizing the bass would be a good step forward, but i probably should give up on it, it's the wrong amp for the job, square peg - round hole
it will eventually get sold off, but i had not considered running the speakers with a small tube head.. that could be a very good idea
You can use "return" input with harp-friendly preamp (like harp attack)
Or try putting mic pre to "return" input. You will be wondered. The main "Marshall problem" is preamp.
i have a couple dirty beeach bogen heads modded for harp email@example.com these trhings are baddddd
In my novice opinion, it doesn't get much worse then a super hight wattage, solid state amp haha. The seminal Blues Harmonica tone made famous by Mr. Jacobs was achieved by oversaturrating the TUBES on relatively low wattage guitar amps. Good luck with your Reign in Blood machine, my friend. I think you're a record holderon this one;)
You probably already checked this, but is your mic a high-impedance? The reason I ask is that the mic preamp is probably low impedance output... and if you are not paying attention to that, it is possible that a very high impedance microphone into the amp would improve things substantially
Have you found that you can really tell the difference between a solid state and a tube amp? I find it's more obvious with harmonica than it is with guitar (although the difference is often obvious with guitar tone as well). I've seen some rigs where two amps are used; a solid state slaved to a tube amp. Maybe your metalhead amp can be useful supplementing another amp creating your signature tone?