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how flat are your 7ths

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Elk River
Jan 27, 2009 4:17 AM GMT
I called civet cat and asked him for a second opinion on how some chords sounded. He said "do you really like your 7th that flat?" Well I do, actually like em flatter than what he heard. The 7th (5 draw) was at minus 20 cents... Harp tuned at 440 Hz. I like that tongue block 7th to feakin roar... But harps are so subjective. My question is where do you guys like them?


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Jan 27, 2009 5:59 AM GMT
Kingley Replied:

I tune 'em A=444 Hz -29 cents. But then I'm using 7 limit JI tuning mostly.
If I'm using compromised JI then I put em at about A=444 Hz -15 centa


Jan 27, 2009 6:38 AM GMT
Oldwailer Replied:

I'm pretty new to the idea of tuning more than the most glaring of out notes--but I've done a couple of bluesbands (practicing on crappy harps) with this scheme from Orjan Hansson's site: http://ohw.se/hca/tuning02.php

19-limit JI for 2nd and 3rd position (deviations in cent
Blow 0 -14 2 0 -14 2 0 -14 2 0
Draw 4 2 -12 4 1 6 -12 4 1 6
at 442 Hz
They sound sweet to me--but I haven't really jammed with them yet. I'm just a hobbiest here--do you pros think I'm on the right track with this?

I'm trying to get the balls to do a good harp. . .


Jan 27, 2009 7:52 AM GMT
Elk River Replied:

R u on the right track? That's exactly how I tuned that one afte talking to the cat... Assuming you meant minus 16 on the daw 5. I just finished that harp an hour or so ago... Mine was prolly minus 15...


Jan 31, 2009 5:13 PM GMT
Barbeque Bob M Replied:

With 19 limit just intonation, 5 & 9 draw is tuned 3 cents sharp, but 7 limit just, which is the way Hohner used to tune until 1985 and what's still being used on the Hering 1923 Vintage Harps and the just tuned version of the Suzuki Fabulous has those same 2 notes tuned 31 cents flat. If you play just the first 3 positions, there's really no big deal, but once you play past 3rd, 19 limit ismore versatile. BTW, all of the diatonics that both Walters and Sonny Boys played as well as Butterfield were ALL tuned to 7 limit just.


Feb 01, 2009 6:42 AM GMT
Elk River Replied:

7 limit rulz!


Feb 06, 2009 6:10 AM GMT
Civet Cat Replied:

That 7 was too flat...like Bob said I want that thing to sound normal no matter what key I use it in.
Cat


Feb 07, 2009 12:48 AM GMT
Madcat Replied:

I actually like my sevenths sharper than most and tune them higher on any new harp I get


Feb 07, 2009 9:13 PM GMT
Barbeque Bob M Replied:

If you're into traditional blues, 7 iimit is it, but the 5 & 9 draw is really flat and once you get past 3rd position, that can be a problem, especially if you play 7th position, and then ypu're gonna have a root note of that's tuned 31 cents flat, which is too flat, and here's where either going with either 19 limit just or a comprimise tuning works if you hate the sound of equal tuning.


Feb 07, 2009 10:45 PM GMT
Joe Replied:

I don't like them that flat, because I really enjoy 12th position. The 5/9 draw is your root note in 12th.


Feb 10, 2009 11:16 PM GMT
Civet Cat Replied:

look what all the cool guys are saying Dave! Ha...good thing joe Filiskos not here



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